Leaving Big Law to Start a New Firm with Clio

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Abdullah and Schneck Immigration Law Group LLC

  • 2019

    Year Founded
  • 2-5

    Number of Staff
  • 2019

    Started Using Clio
  • Pittsburgh, PA, USA

    Location
  • Flat Fee

    Hourly

    Fee Types
  • Immigration

    Practice Areas

Clio Manage Case Study + Q&A

Kristen Schneck, Founder & Immigration Attorney at Abdullah and Schneck Immigration Law Group LLC

Leaving a large law firm for your own practice is stressful under any circumstances, but it’s especially daunting when you have a robust immigration court calendar with years of dates already scheduled. When Kristen Schneck founded her small immigration firm, a smooth transition was non-negotiable—for Kristen and her clients. 

The Clio Suite helped get Kristen up and running, rapidly. Thanks to a seamless data migration, easy online billing and payments, and valuable software integrations, Clio enabled Kristen to bring 99% of her clients over to her new firm. With Clio simplifying the process, Kristen was able to focus her energy on helping her clients, growing her firm, and standing up for her community through advocacy work.

Read the case study summary below, or scroll down to the Q&A section.

 

Simplifying a complex transition

Making the move to leave a large law firm and start her own small immigration practice was a big decision for attorney Kristen Schneck.

“Leaving a large law firm can be extremely stressful and worrisome,” Kristen says, “especially in my practice, where I have an immigration court calendar with dates scheduled out for three to five years.”

“I knew that we had to transition quickly, and we had to have the clients comfortable in the process. Clio—with the Billing feature and the integration with various forms of software—made the transition extremely simple. And the fact that I was less stressed resulted in having happier clients.”

“The biggest thing was the quick and smooth transition. Clio was wonderful in terms of helping us to maintain 99% of our clients.”

Clio helped Kristen make the transition quickly while still maintaining her growing client base. By using Clio’s software from the start, Kristen says a transition that otherwise could have taken 10 to 12 weeks was instead completed in just four to six weeks.

“The biggest thing was the quick and smooth transition,” Kristen says. “Clio was wonderful in terms of helping us to maintain 99% of our clients. We were able to notify them and then get them set up as clients in Clio Grow in a very fast manner—within a month-and-a-half time period.”

“On a weekly average, the Clio Suite has saved us anywhere between 12 to 15 hours of administrative work, which we’ve been able to take and reapply to focusing on client matters.”

Saving valuable time with the full Clio Suite

In addition to transitioning clients and data to her new firm, Kristen uses the Clio Suite to gain back valuable hours that would otherwise be lost to admin tasks.

“On a weekly average, the Clio Suite has saved us anywhere between 12-to-15 hours of administrative work, which we’ve been able to take and reapply to focusing on client matters,” Kristen says.

Kristen also notes significant productivity gains when looking at her firm’s client intake, and how Clio Grow helps her convert prospective clients into new clients. “Being able to use Clio Grow has increased our productivity—in terms of getting the case matters opened and the work started—by approximately 30% I would say, easily.”

“For converting prospective clients to new clients, being able to use Clio Grow has increased our productivity by approximately 30% I would say, easily.”

Similarly, Kristen says that Clio Manage streamlines the firm’s overall performance by helping the firm keep track of particular client matters and statuses, and to track the firm’s numbers over daily, weekly, or monthly time periods. 

“That’s been good for us to know where we are in terms of quarterly revenue,” Kristen explains. “Clio Manage helps us to look at our quarterly projections and see if we’re on track and also to be able to make adjustments.”

“The Clio Reporting, including the Dashboard functions, has allowed somebody like me—who is typically not a well-versed business person—to be able to understand where we are in terms of our profits and productivity.”

By saving time by using the Clio Suite, Kristen can devote more hours to her advocacy work in the community—something she says she wouldn’t have time to do if she were stuck in her office doing admin work.

“The Clio Reporting, including the Dashboard functions, has allowed somebody like me—who is typically not a well-versed business person—to be able to understand where we are in terms of our profits and productivity.”

Making work easier across the entire legal client journey

By combining Clio Grow’s client intake functionality with Clio Manage’s practice management software, the Clio Suite allows Kristen’s firm to be more productive and agile—from anywhere.

From the very beginning of client intake, Clio Grow makes things faster and easier for Kristen and her clients. One key factor is the ability to create and send Online Intake Forms, which Kristen’s clients complete themselves and send back—with the clients’ information instantly going into the firm’s system.” 

“Clio also links in with immigration software that we use,” Kristen says. “So in terms of being able to go from Clio Grow and getting the client’s case put together, we’re able to relieve a lot of time that it would normally take to get cases filed.”

From a practice management perspective, Clio Manage helps Kristen’s team handle everything from case management to billable and non-billable time, expenses, document management, e-signatures, billing, and online payments.

“Clio Manage helps us to not lose track of anything and be able to stay ahead of deadlines,” Kristen says.

“The best thing about Clio is that everything is integrated … (the Clio Suite) has really made things stress-free and worry-free.”

For Kristen’s law firm, the value of using Clio comes not just from the individual features—but also from how the Clio Suite works together.

“The best thing about Clio is that everything is integrated,” she says. “We use the client intake process, the online contract signing process, the client and case matter reporting, and time and expense tracking. And the fact that it’s integrated into our emails and our calendar has really made things stress-free and worry-free.”

After successfully using Clio to transition her firm, Kristen offers the following advice:

“For anyone or any law firm considering transitioning into Clio—whether you’ve been in existence for a while, or if you’re just recently incorporated—do the free trial of Clio. Do the demonstrations. Learn how it works. You’ll see that when compared with the other products in the market, Clio can’t be beat.”

“For anyone or any law firm considering transitioning into Clio … do the free trial of Clio. Do the demonstrations. Learn how it works. You’ll see that when compared with the other products in the market, Clio can’t be beat.”

Q&A with Kristen Schneck

When you started your new law firm, how did Clio help?

“So, leaving a large law firm can be extremely stressful and worrisome. Especially in my practice, where I have an immigration court calendar with dates scheduled out for three to five years. I knew that we had to transition quickly, and we had to have the clients comfortable in the process. Clio—with the Billing feature and the integrations with various forms of software—made the transition extremely simple. And the fact that I was less stressed made the process reflected in having happy clients.

I wanted to go to a simpler model, and Clio has been wonderful and helped me transition as well as maintain a growing client base.

The biggest thing was the quick and smooth transition, and Clio was wonderful in terms of helping us to maintain 99% of our clients. We were able to notify them and then get them set up as clients in Clio Grow in a very fast manner—within a month-and-a-half time period.

I knew that we needed the software right away. The transition took us literally four to six weeks—and otherwise, without Clio Grow, the transition probably would have taken us 10 to 12 weeks.

We had used INSZOOM for immigration forms and Google programs in the past, but we found that they just weren’t integrated enough and not client-driven to the specific needs of a small immigration practice. 

At the time that we reactivated the practice, I was really nervous about the data migration. I remember saying, ‘Well, we have these real simple spreadsheets, so if the data doesn’t migrate quickly or it doesn’t make sense, we can at least defer to that.’ But the data migration was pretty much seamless. I remember it being done literally in a matter of hours, and I remember it was such a relief to hear from my business manager that all the client files and the data had been quickly migrated so that I could start working on the cases.”

How do you quantify the value of the Clio Suite?

“On a weekly average, the Clio Suite has saved us anywhere between 12 to 15 hours of administrative work, which we’ve been able to take and reapply to focusing on client matters.

Converting prospective clients to new clients, being able to use Clio Grow has probably increased our productivity—in terms of getting the case matters opened and the work started—by approximately 30% I would say, easily.

Clio Manage has helped us to streamline the overall performance of the law firm. Everything from keeping track of particular client matters and status to the overall weekly, daily, or even monthly numbers. So that’s been good for us to know where we are in terms of quarterly revenue. Clio Manage helps us to look at our quarterly projections and see if we’re on track and also to be able to make adjustments.

The time that I’ve been able to save by using Clio Suite has allowed me to be able to focus on my advocacy work. Whether I’m volunteering pro bono at community immigrant organizations or the time I spend as an advisor to the mayor of the city of Pittsburgh, I wouldn’t have been able to do it if I was stuck in my office focusing on administrative tasks.

The Clio reporting, including the Dashboard functions, has allowed somebody like me, who is typically not a well-versed business person, to be able to understand where we are in terms of our profits and productivity.”

How does Clio contribute to your success?

“Clio has been essential to our success as a small practice. My staff was able to be quickly trained, and they feel comfortable using Clio. I’m spending less time on the administrative aspects of practicing immigration law and more time on my clients’ legal strategies and casework.

Since the pandemic began, I’m like most employers—a critical component for us to be able to continue to be successful has been being able to have flexibility with staff to allow them to work both at home and at the office, and the integration of the Clio Suite has allowed us to transition to more of a virtual practice than probably traditionally we would be.

So I liked the integration aspects, the support for both hourly billing, as well as flat fee billing. When I had gone to a large law firm, I had transitioned from primarily flat fees to billable hours, and the fact that Clio gives the flexibility for us to be able to use either setups is wonderful and it makes the clients happy—because a lot of times when faced with hourly billing, even when you give clients estimates, they’re really nervous because they don’t know what the final costs are going to be. So being able to use Clio and being able to easily go in and make changes that reflect that the costs don’t exceed the estimates is huge for the type of clients that I work with, as many of them are on limited budgets in terms of legal expenses.”

How do you use Clio Grow at your firm?

“We use Clio Grow primarily for new client intake and for new matter intake for existing client immigration laws—one of those fields where you might finish the process of getting someone a green card, but you’ll still have to do their citizenship down the road. In the current COVID 19 pandemic situation, we heavily use the online contract signing feature, preferring virtual appointments with clients over face to face. We also started using the appointment booking functionality, allowing prospective clients to use our website or call the office. Because we have multiple locations, Clio Grow has been great at keeping everything on the cloud, so that it doesn’t matter where anybody—whether it’s me or this physical stuff—is located.

For converting prospective clients to new clients, being able to use Clio Grow has probably increased our productivity—in terms of getting the case matters opened and the work started—by approximately 30%, I would say, easily.

Having everything online while using Clio Grow has been able to save tremendous time in terms of converting a prospective client into a new client. Especially in immigration law—where you might have a 30-day appeal period, or a client comes to you and they have an individual hearing in four months. It’s really important that we get their case set up online so that we can focus on the legal work. 

Using the Clio Grow intake forms allows the client themselves to do a lot of the input. And then, basically, it allows us to get them in for additional appointments to evaluate their cases a lot quicker than the traditional method that I’ve typically used in the past as well as at the large law firm.”

How do you use Clio Manage at your firm?

“Clio Manage helps me and my staff keep track of all client matters and statuses, and we can track our time and expenses. Clio reports help me to track the performance of my law firm, the client billing, as well as our overall productivity. Clio integrations help with emails and calendaring. It integrates with our Vonage business phones systems as well as with our accounting QuickBooks software. It provides a significant productivity boost. Overall, I’m able to define a standard process for me and my staff or client matters and we’re able to follow it in almost every case, over and over.

Clio Manage has helped us to streamline the overall performance of the law firm—everything from keeping track of particular client matters and statuses to the overall weekly, daily, or even monthly numbers. So that’s been good for us to know where we are in terms of quarterly revenue.

Clio Manage helps us to look at our quarterly projections and see if we’re on track and also to be able to make adjustments, because in the field of immigration law, especially in the last six months, we’ve seen a number of regulations that overall have affected productivity. It allows us to make adjustments in terms of if we need to speed up a case because a new proposed regulation is coming into place … Overall, Clio Manage has been able to help us look at productivity as well as speed in terms of trying to complete client matters.

I have anywhere between 165 current client matters to sometimes upwards of 180, and Clio Manage has helped us to keep organized and keep track of where we are with different cases. Many times, one case will be at one level and another case will be at another, and Clio Manage helps us to not lose track of anything and be able to stay ahead of deadlines.”

Has your client service improved with Clio?

“The end result is being able to get cases filed in a faster manner. Clio also links in with immigration software that we use, so—in terms of being able to go from Clio Grow and getting the client’s case put together—we’re able to relieve a lot of time that it would normally take to get cases filed. 

Being married to an immigrant myself and having gone through the immigration process, I understand the anxiety and the fear. So, being able to work with Clio has been a lifesaver in terms of being able to focus on the client’s needs—whether emotional, physical, etc—to help them get through the case, because it’s as much about the law firm doing the work as it is about the client feeling comfortable and feeling secure as we maneuver through the immigration process.”

Advice for other law firms considering Clio?

“The best thing about Clio is that everything is integrated. We use the client intake process, the online contract signing process, the client and case matter reporting, and time and expense tracking, and the fact that it’s integrated to our emails and to our calendar has really made navigating the ability to reactivate my firm stress free and worry free.

For anyone or any law firm considering transitioning into Clio—whether you’ve been in existence for a while, or if you’re just recently incorporated—do the free trial of Clio. Do the demonstrations. Learn how it works. You’ll see that compared with the other products in the market, Clio can’t be beat.”

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